The Problematic Pagans

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NO PART OF THIS PUBLICATION MAY BE REPRODUCED OR TRANSMITTED IN ANY FORM OR BY ANY MEANS, ELECTRONIC, MECHANICAL, PHOTOCOPYING, RECORDING, OR TIED TO A ROCK AND THROWN AT THE AUTHOR, WITHOUT THE PRIOR WRITTEN PERMISSION OF OUT OF THE DARK, INC. WE USUALLY SAY "YES" BUT WE INSIST YOU ASK FIRST. IF WE DON'T LIKE YOU OR WHAT YOU STAND FOR, WE WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY "NO"

Legal Disclaimer: It's not our fault! The little voices made us do it!.
If we had sense we'd be dangerous! All stories are the opinion of
their author, who may or may not be wrapped too tight. We
were potty trained too early. We ate too many twinkies!
The dog ate our edited version. We were just standing
here minding our own business when this mysterious
dude walked up and handed us this story Officer
Honest!

Home Gathering and Events Schedule Spring Gathering of the Tribes Fall Gathering of the Tribes WitchVisions Blackwater Campground Pagan Chat Groups G.U.T.S. R.E.S.T. The WitchTower Paganetwork CyberPagan Techno Whining Corporate Wars Pagan Resource Center Links Credits Publicly Accused of Plagiarism and/or Fraud in the Pagan Community Publicly Accused of Unacceptable Sexual Conduct in the Pagan Community Convicted of Crimes of Violence and/or Abuse Publicly Accused and/or Convicted of Fraud, Misappropriation, and/or Exploitation in the Faux Indian Community Convicted Sex Offenders Known to Frequent Pow Wows and/or other Native American Indian Oriented Activities, Events and Festivals		The Pagan Community is not immune to problematic people. We get our fair share of Trolls, Thieves, Plagiarists and Predators of all kinds. This is a collection of pages where the authors claim to have been plagiarized, ripped off, or otherwise abused and preyed upon by a PUBLIC Pagan or group. PLEASE note the word PUBLIC...in PUBLIC Pagan. No we will not post a link to your page explaining what a low life your ex is. We are very sorry if the child support is late, but NO PRIVATE GRIPES are allowed on this site! Community related crap only! The Problematic Pagans listed here have established themselves as PUBLIC FIGURES, and in doing so, they have opened themselves up to public scrutiny and criticism. They are self proclaimed Priests, Priestesses, Spiritual Teachers, Reverends, Directors of 501(c)3 's or Community Leaders of some kind. This site is not here to harass private individuals, it is here to monitor and report on the questionable activities of people who have taken on a Leadership position in the Pagan Community. The other rule is post your proof. If an author has been plagiarized, they should show specifics... exact quotes, page numbers, etc. If someone claims to have been raped or assaulted he/she should, post the relevant court documents. You get the picture. Don't put up a web site accusing someone or some group of wrongdoing unless you are prepared to go to court. With that in mind, why not post the proof you would use in court and save yourself the trip? The allegations contained in these pages are the expressed beliefs of their respective authors. As always, read the evidence presented and decide for yourself what the deal is. Criminal convictions are a matter of public record almost everywhere these days, and sexual predators are listed on the net http://www.sexoffender.com/search.html

When it comes to identifying Frauds in the Pagan Community, a good rule of thumb is that anyone who has a really long, completely unverifiable title, a "school" and/or "church" of their own, and a large collection of other people's stuff ... is probably a scam artist. Charlatans are relatively easy to spot. The minute a Fraud is questioned about ANY claim they have made regarding their credentials, writings, 501c3, etc. they immediately begin to slander and defame the questioner in an attempt to destroy that individual's credibility. Fakes and Pretenders will ALWAYS attack the person asking the questions instead of actually addressing the issues raised. That's all they can do when the person challenging their claims is correct. It kinda goes like this: Fraud: "Greetings, I am Lady Aurora Borealis Lightning Storm With Chance of Showers Medicine Turkey, Hereditary Queen and Traditional Sacred Ceremony Keeper of the Scotish Medicine Turkey Clan ... Be grateful I am willing to speak to you" Questioner: "Ah yeah... Excuse me Lady Turkey, but I am from Scotland, I was born and raised there, and I know for a fact that we don't have a "Medicine Turkey Clan' ...oh, and you misspelled "Scottish" Fraud: "The questioner is an evil wicked troublemaker who is rumored to be a shape shifting cannibal and is wanted for ripping the tags off of mattresses in 13 different states." Questioner: "I am none of those things, but even if I was, what does that have to do with the fact that we don't have a Medicine Turkey Clan in Scotland?" Fraud: "Did I mention that the person questioning my credentials also picks her nose in public and eats the boogers?" You get the picture :-/ Let us be very clear regarding the intent of this site. It is the belief of everyone at Pagan.com, and most Pagans we know in general, that each individual is responsible for his or her actions. This is ESPECIALLY true for those who consider themselves "Leaders" . We also believe that serious problems do not just "go away" if you ignore them. Quite the contrary in fact, they get bigger and bigger and bigger.... It is our intent to provide a central location for links related to problems within the Pagan Community. It's called "dealing with the issues" and it is something that we have to do to be a healthy community. Paganism is a living, growing entity. Let's make it a basic goal within all our various Paths not to make the same mistakes the Catholic Church did? Personally, when I am an old woman driving the Gathering staff crazy from my rocking chair, I DO NOT want to pick up the paper and read about 17 Pagan Priests who have been bouncing from Coven to Coven molesting children for decades! I want to read about those pervs, along with the thieves, plagiarists, frauds, etc. operating in the Pagan Community as soon as they are exposed! How 'bout you? If there is a site you feel should be here, just let us know, and we'll take a look.
::::UPDATE::: Predators Post "Anonymous Rumors" about Pagan.com author Betsy Ashby in retaliation for her exposure of their fraudulent activities. Proving the above statement I wrote YEARS ago ...well known plagiarists and promoters of sex tours on their "Church" website, William "Bill" Wheeler {Rhuddlwm Gawr} and Victoria "Vickie" Wheeler {Cerridwen Gawr} aka Dynion Mwyn, Y Tylwyth Teg, Camelot etc. etc. have posted "anonymous" and extremely defaming "alleged rumors" about me, as well as other authors they plagiarized, on their website. They did this with malice in retaliation for our web site which exposes well documented cases of plagiarism, as well as screen shots of the "sex tours to Asia" promotion. They claim the defaming and harassing posts about me are "anonymous" The Runningbear's Den impostors are currently using the Wheeler's "anonymous rumors" about me to try and distract people from the fact that they are WHITE WOMEN pretending to be a "full blooded enrolled member of the EBCI" Faux Indian "Grandmother Gayle" and the Snowbird Con Clan did the exact same thing. What can we say.... birds of a feather. For the record, I have NO criminal record whatsoever. I have never been convicted of any crime....not even a tiny little misdemeanor. I have a valid concealed carry permit in the State of Virginia, which I've held since I was 21 years old. I've had one speeding ticket in the past 20 years ...for going 11 mph over. I did that, so I paid it. I have never been investigated for anything that I know of ...no one questioned me? It's not like I'm hard to find. Unlike the cowards who post outrageous lies about me on-line, I use my real name and address when I post the TRUTH about them. I don't "allege rumors" I SHOW FACTS! EVERY SINGLE "alleged rumor" about me has been made ANONYMOUSLY with the intent to harass me into silence! There is not one single person who has ever accused me of anything who has been willing to GIVE THEIR OWN NAME!! 'nuff said!! PS: The "Betsy was arranging safe housing for Muslims after 9-11" story is the ONLY ...and I mean ONLY truthful statement made about me on the aforementioned websites! I did that, and I'd do it again ...for ANY RACE OR RELIGION in the same situation ...Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Pagan... or anything I haven't heard of yet. I openly, on the net, offered safe housing and/or transportation to ANYONE who needed it (all air fights in our area were grounded) in full view of the government, again using my own name. Both the Isle of Wight Sheriff and various other officials knew what I was doing...and why. PEOPLE were stranded and scared. At one point, the Sheriff offered us extra patrols of our property if we needed it. After the 9-11 attack it was practically open season on anyone wearing a head scarf in certain parts of Bubbaville. That's wrong! When I die I will NOT be explaining to The All-Father why I did nothing while innocent people were being harmed ......I'll probably be busy explaining a lot of other stuff....but not that one! Betsy
		***** Publicly Accused of Plagiarism and/or Fraud in the Pagan Community WIlliam "Bill" Wheeler aka Rhuddlwm Gawr & Victoria "Vickie" Wheeler aka "Cerridwen Gawr" http://www.Pagan.com/Plagiarized/ http://www.geocities.com/ferigold/yttfiles/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wv/clanndroen/nithings.html http://www.twoheadedcat.com/content/article.php?articleID=546 http://www.tylwythteg.co.uk/ Janette Copeland http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos300.htm Sirona Knight http://www.Pagan.com/ProblematicPagans/SironaKnight.html http://www.backwash.com/content.php?jouid=5256 Kisma Stepanich http://www.geocities.com/ferigold/truthfaery/index.html *** Publicly Accused of Unacceptable Sexual Conduct in the Pagan Community Click Here For Pagan.com's Definition of "Unacceptable Sexual Conduct" Gavin and Yvonne Frost http://st09.startlogic.com/~pendrago/goodwitch.html http://ajdrew.blogs.pagannation.com/defrost-please-read/ Moss Bliss http://www.paganetwork.net/content/view/45/37/ Bill and Vickie Wheeler http://www.Pagan.com/Plagiarized/Sexsites.html *** Convicted of Crimes of Violence and/or Abuse Elizabeth Miklosovic http://crime.about.com/od/sex/ig/female_pedophiles/Elizabeth-Miklosovic.htm Orren Whiddon http://www.Pagan.com/WitchTower/Archives/4QF/orren.jpg Sgt. James Ray Wilson http://www.Pagan.com/WitchTower/Archives/Materne/index.html Robin Fletcher http://www.witchvox.com/vn/vn_detail/dt_wn.html?a=auvic&id=14843 *** Publicly Accused and/or Convicted of Fraud, Misappropriation, and/or Exploitation in the Faux Indian Community The United People of the Cherokee Nation {UPCN} The "Manataka American Indian Council" http://aihsc.info/ ***** Convicted Sex Offenders Known to Frequent Pow Wows and/or other Native American Indian Oriented Activities, Events and Festivals Please Note: We have included the "Pow Wow Predators" list on the "Problematic Pagans" website even though most Pow Wow participants (and Indians in general) are Christian. Just because an individual is listed on Problematic Pagans .. IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE PAGAN! The person could be Christian, Muslim, Jewish ... whatever, we don't know ...or care what their religion is. They are listed here only because they might teach at, host and/or attend an event that might be ATTENDED by Pagans. Design and layout by Enyo Perseus All content copyright Out of the Dark, Inc. Web hosting provided by WebWorqs
		COPYRIGHT 1998, 1999, 2000. 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 AND ON AND ON AND ON TO INFINITY AND BEYOND ALL RIGHTS RESERVED NO PART OF THIS PUBLICATION MAY BE REPRODUCED OR TRANSMITTED IN ANY FORM OR BY ANY MEANS, ELECTRONIC, MECHANICAL, PHOTOCOPYING, RECORDING, OR TIED TO A ROCK AND THROWN AT THE AUTHOR, WITHOUT THE PRIOR WRITTEN PERMISSION OF OUT OF THE DARK, INC. WE USUALLY SAY "YES" BUT WE INSIST YOU ASK FIRST. IF WE DON'T LIKE YOU OR WHAT YOU STAND FOR, WE WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY "NO" Legal Disclaimer: It's not our fault! The little voices made us do it!. If we had sense we'd be dangerous! All stories are the opinion of their author, who may or may not be wrapped too tight. We were potty trained too early. We ate too many twinkies! The dog ate our edited version. We were just standing here minding our own business when this mysterious dude walked up and handed us this story Officer Honest!